"The United States can get out of Japanese waters, but others will still fish there. If we were to leave Japan naked and defenseless, they would have to turn to others for help or build the capability to defend themselves. If we had no defense arrangement with Japan, we would have no influence where they were concerned." ‘"If the United States is -gone from Asia, gone from Japan," I said, "Our protests, no matter how loud, would be like firing an empty cannon. We would have no effect. because thousands of miles away is just too far to be heard." "Now I realize that I have painted here a picture which makes me sound like an old cold warrior-" I continued, and Chou laughed softly. “But it is the world as I see it, and when I analyze it, it is what brings us, China and America, together, not in terms of philosophy and not in terms of friendship--- although I believe that is important -- but because of national security I believe our interests are in common in the respects I have mentioned."